Sunday, October 5, 2014

93 One Liner Lies of the Nuclear Cartel

Classic One Liner Lies of Nuke

combomelt, from ENE used my list to create an awesome video, please watch it and drop a comment,

Well I added another one liner lie.    Rod Adams helped me find this lie when one of his twitter buddies did a post on how  solar energy never has a chance for the  future because making the solar energy devices takes more energy than they produce in their lifetime.   Wow, the levels these pimps will stoop to to promote their 'precious' nuclear radiation cartel.

The reality is that for PV panels, it takes about 6 months of energy production of the device in order to offset the energy used in producing the device.    And the lifetime is at least 30 years.

The lie in one liner form
"Solar Energy has no future because it takes more energy to create the solar system, than the solar system produces in it's lifetime"

You can probably use the search function to find some backup to each of these lies of nuclear.    When someone, be it media, a research organization, a government speaker, whoever, starts pimping out one of these lies, then you can start reading their material in a new, more suspicious light.

As a future project, I intend on following each sentence with a link to a concise debunk of each of these lies.    Its like shooting fish in a barrel.   Anyone who wants to volunteer a link and debunk, send as a comment.  

As you folks come across other nice One Liners, drop them as comments and I will add to the list.

  1. ''No immediate health effects''
  2. ''At safe levels to eat''
  3. ''Nuclear is safe"
  4. "Nuclear is cheap"
  5. ''Dispersion in the ocean makes it harmless''
  6. ''Dilution is the solution''
  7. ''Too low to measure''
  8. ''Safer than eating a banana''
  9. "Larger dose from flying on an airplane"
  10. "Sleeping next to someone gives you a larger radioactive dose"
  11. "Become I131 radiation rapidly depletes due to quick half life, we don't have to worry about any of the radiation."
  12. ''Nuclear power is cheap"
  13. ''Part of background''
  14. ''Definitely not caused by radiation''
  15. ''We can rule radiation out as the cause''
  16. ''No need to test''
  17. ''Harmless at current levels''
  18. ''It was a hydrogen explosion at Fukushima, impossible to have a nuclear explosion''
  19. "Because you cannot prove that the disease was caused by a specific radiation, the information is not valid until proven by the scientific method."
  20. "Nuclear is safe because they have backup power"
  21. "Nuclear is safe because background radiation is high, so don't worry about a little more"
  22. "The radiation from that release is in 'the noise' of the background radiation"
  23. "It's green and clean"
  24. "Nuclear is the only thing that can save the climate from excess carbon"
  25. "Nuclear plants have pooled insurance"
  26. "The nuclear plants were forced by the NRC to set aside enough money to fully decomission the plant when it is done with its life." ----------- Sellafield 70B
  27. "The original 40 year number wasn't the 'design life' it was just an arbitrary number that meant nothing"
  28. "When we are done with the plant, we will return the land in an untouched 'greenfield' condition"
  29. "The NRC makes nuclear industry safe by regulating them"
  30. "The IAEA regulates the worldwide nuclear industry"
  31. "No deaths caused by nuclear radiation from civilian plants"
  32. "Just keep smiling and radiation will not hurt you"
  33. "Thorium reactors are completely safe"
  34. "Defense in depth 'safety protocol' at nuke plants means that a major accident should only happen about every 2000 years."
  35. "All the nuclear waste in the world could fit in a football field"
  36. "The solution for nuclear waste is a single permanent repository"
  37. "Nuclear power emits ZERO CO2"
  38. "Reactors cannot blow up like nuclear bombs"
  39. "No radiation from Japan will reach the USA"
  40. "Price-Anderson is what brings nuclear regulation to any nuclear activity"
  41. "Our meters are so good, and can measure radiation so small, that we refuse to present any actual data because it will just scare people"
  42. "The fear of radiation is much more harmful than the radiation itself"
  43. "We are from the government, we are here to help" 
  44. "A little bit of radiation is actually good for you, are you getting enough?"
  45. "At no time was there any danger to the public"
  46. "Just because a nuke worker was sent home 'unfit to work' doesn't actually mean anything important"
  47. "Fukushima not as bad as Chernobyl"
  48. "None of the radiation went into the ocean it was all contained in the 1.4 SQ KM 'zone' <Abe>"
  49. "Fukushima is in cold shutdown"
  50. "Fukushima will absolutely not effect the 2020 Olympics"
  51. "There are good people working in nuclear, therefore you shouldn't talk bad about their chosen profession"
  52. "Don't worry about living within 20 miles of a reactor, just take your iodine pill when the authorities tell you to, and you will be fine."
  53. "If you are Anti-Nuke, that means you are pro-coal"
  54. "If you are Anti-Civilian Nuclear Reactors, then you are anti- nuke submarines and therfore, anti national security"
  55. "There have only been a handful of nuclear accidents"
  56. "What you are measuring is leftover from the cold war bomb testing"
  57. "Cancer is normal and wide spread"
  58. "You can drink 32g of Plutonium and you'll be fine"
  59. "No one was killed by Fukushima"
  60. "There was no plutonium released by Fukushima"
  61. "No one could have predicted a tsunami so high"
  62. Reactor 4 was a hydrogen explosion with hydrogen transferred from Reactor 3 ------
  63. "Solar Energy has no future because it takes more energy to create the solar system, than the solar system produces in it's lifetime"
Add ons from readers!

  1. "Nuclear power is too cheap to meter"
  2. "There will always be power and backup generators to prevent a meltdown."
  3. "Humanity can contain the atom and it won't kill the innocent."
  4. "Each nuclear plant insures itself, and just in case their insurance runs out, there is plenty of extra coverage in 'pooled insurance'  from all the reactors."
  5. "Entergy is NOT a slum lord"
  6. "Anyone who is opposed to nuclear power is a 'fearmonger' "
  7. "All those poor people in Japan are dying because they are homesick, they never should have been evacuated from Fukushima" <this coming from a nuclear engineering professor>
  8. "Diabetes in Fukushima kids being caused by radiophobic parent forcing kids to play indoors leading to unhealthy lifestyle"
  9. "Increased cancers in Japan cannot possibly be caused by Fukushima because cancer takes more time to grow."
  10. "No one died from Fukushima" ---- FOIA docs says otherwise 5 Death Lethal Rads
  11. "The radiation on the us coast is not from Fukushima but probably from red radioactive plastic eating utensils" -- We refuse to even rebutt this one, this statement by a State official is insulting in it's ignorance.
  12. "If we store it deep underground, everything will work out fine"  AGR Fallacy of Nuke Storage
  13. "Plutonium and Americium are heavy metals, so they won't go very far in the air" 
  14. "My family and I live here, therefore it must be safe" Said at the WIPP propagnda dissemination event.
  15. fearmongering
  16. Arnie is pro-Nuke
  17. sodium reactors are safe
  18. Thorium reactors have no waste
  19. reactor grade plutonium is not the same as weapons grade plutonium
  20. transmutation the alchemist's dream
  21. Brown's Gas
  22. Roy's Process
  23. "cold" fusion
  24. nuclear energy is to increase water availability
  25. radioactive particles decay to safe non-radioactive particles
  26. radiation is good for you (aka whoremesis)
  27. vitrification
  28. safe repository
  29. clean and green
  30. no CO2 emissions

  31. "Nobody could have predicted such rare occurrence."
    "We were previously unaware of problems."
    "Our best and brightest people are on the job."
    "It was only a minor incident."
    "Our customers are important to us." 
    stock, do you have FactCheckers's one liner: expose children to radiation so they will be immune to radiation later in life.
    Troll at ENE: no thanks. You have your own anti nuke jihad ..I don't care for radicalized soldiers. 
  32. The dropping of the Atomic Bomb at Hiroshima was necessary, it saved hundreds of thousands of lives.      Debunk ----

I apologize to some contributors who listed their comments on other sites...while do multiple updates, some of my earliest started updates, "covered up" subsequent updates!  Sheesh, I hate is when that happens.    Maybe I'll just ask the NSA for an interim archive version, LOL!
    And last, but not least, we get some some quality rhetoric and wisdom from the latest troll infesting ENENEWS and here----laughable.    At least socref could pretend to be civilized.

    And try saying that to say, a Grizzly Bear, or perhaps, Leukemia.      What doesn't kill you sometimes just makes you weaker...that  is the way that radiation works. 
      30 Ways The Nuclear Industry Deceives Everyone; via @AGreenRoad

    And let's not forget ''the scientific method'', without which where would we be lol.


    1. 30 Ways The Nuclear Industry Deceives Everyone; via @AGreenRoad

    2. Hormesis; What Does Not Kill You, Is Good For You; via @AGreenRoad

    3. Nuclear power is too cheap to meter.

    4. You are demented and delusional. The list is a sign of someone with little training in nuclear engineering and science.

      1. Yes, because "training in nuclear engineering and science" accomplished 90,000+ dead in Japan and prevented Chernobyl and Fukushima, is that it?

      2. Previous poster at 2-16 6:44 pm. You are the deficient one. NukePro's blog is a good service- informative- logical- clear- compassionate- newsworthy - useful - intelligent. What do you think you are proving with your public besides parading stupidity? You are the one who is a guest in this place. You are the one who does not need to be here. Many follow this blog and support it.

    5. "There will always be power and backup generators to prevent a meltdown."
      "Humanity can contain the atom and it won't kill the innocent."

      Japan 1945-present day proves those two aren't true.

      Breaking the atom was the ultimate Pandora's box for humanity.

    6. Anyone who is opposed to nuclear power is just a 'fearmonger'

      Anyone who talks about the dangers of nuclear power is 'fearmongering'.

    7. I miss one hilarious lie; the radiation on the us coast is not from fuku but probably radio active plastic eating utensils. :)

    8. "No one died from Fukushima"

      1. Yep, always a classic, even though FOIA document show NRC documenting 5 dead from lethal radiation blast.

    9. For multiple debunking links around the 74 lies...that could easily go up to 200

      Global Corporations And The 1%; Art And Science Of Deception

      Nuclear Accidents, Recycling Nuclear Weapons/Fuel

      Global Corporations And The 1%; Art And Science Of Deception

      Individual Radioactive Elements/Isotopes, USA Radiation Exposure Prevention and Reversal, Music

      Low Dose Radiation Dangers/Symptoms For Children And Adults

      Uranium Mining and Enrichment - Nuclear Bomb -Nuclear Fuel Manufacturing

      Low Level Nuclear Radiation In Food And Water

      Effects Of Internal Low Level Nuclear Radiation

      Animals and Low Level Radiation Effects

      Nuclear Reactor Recertification

      Long Term Storage Of Nuclear Fuel, Nuclear Waste

    10. The radiation is well within acceptable levels (If everyone in the US got the "acceptable level", you could expect tens of thousands of fatal cancers every year, even using the generally used LNT model)

      1. Yep, the peons who pay the taxes have "acceptable levels" of expiration as long as the campaign contributions keep coming in..... REALITY

    11. Whenever they want, they just raise the acceptable levels. They always use cesium as a reference. They always refer to dose, in other words, external irradiation, but never injestion. Even if transuranics were not radioactive, they are still highly toxic heavy metals.
      And you wouldnt get me to injest 1/10th of a gram of any of them. As for cost:
      Figure in mining, enrichment, transport, security, storage, not to mention waste management, cause there is none, and watt for watt nuclear is the most expensive by far.
      To be fair, "A nuclear reactor cannot explode like a nuclear bomb" is accurate.
      By several orders of magnitude. I do not accept Arnies "prompt criticality" theory. However, #3 certainly suffered a high velocity explosion. Something neither steam nor hydrogen can do.


      Quote: "boffins believe that the solar battery decreases costs by 25 per cent because it apparently eliminates "the loss of electricity that normally occurs when electrons have to travel between a solar cell and an external battery.""

      Bye bye, "nukular" power. So much for their "precious". We are so screwed considering all wastes.
      GAME OVER Insert bitcoin to continue boring us to tears, shillery.

      1. Thats funny a UK news agency, reporting on an Ohio State PV project. The pro nukes will spin lies all the way to their grave. After destroying our environment adn genome to boil water and leave a boat load of waste, they just have to be disugusted that normal people can generate electricity from sunlight,


    13. Ive contacted the following firm for their advice:

      Please stop your efforts to "out me" or provide a name to your doxing activities. My family has been hurt enough.

      1. @Anonymous (October 6, 2014 at 6:04 PM)

        Curious; are you as an off-topic anonymous commentard claiming copyright on your IP Address of which you actively publicly disseminate?

        Good job in talking to an attorney from Arizona for a matter that can only be adjudicated in Santa Clara County, California by the way. That's got to be expensive.

        How is the weather in Arizona anyway?

      2. Have you even read "Goggle"'s Privacy Policy or even their Terms?
        It would appear that in-fact no, you haven't.

        That's is hilarious, by the way, complaining about a lack of privacy whilst using "Goggle"'s services. :lol

      3. That particular link does NOT resolve an address other than the following.


        Nice JavaScript BS. Yamashita smiles on you.

        Fearmonger begone.

      4. VirusTotal - a Google Service - reveals their IP Address as

        That is a fact, and Truth is a defense of libel.
        One question is it privileged information?
        No, it would appear that you have knowingly publicly disseminated it, and continue to do so.

        In-fact, it would appear that you are attempting to libel stock.

      5. Goodbye Niall, you MFX'ing Fergusson-branded "marine biologist".
        "All aboard the FAIL boat" woot woot ;)


      7. I would however thank you for what seems like amazingly unwitting confirmation. :)

        Now, please stop cyberstalking us. Cease and desist, s'il vous plaƮt.
        Behave or begone.

      8. Folks, IP addresses are public and *must be* public for the Internet to work. "IP" itself means "Internet Protocol".
        An IP address *must* be sent along so that the receiver IP can reply to the sender IP.
        Most ISP's have a pool of addresses they can use to attach a subscriber to the Internet. It's first-come-first-served, and typically an ISP "recycles" IP addresses when a subscriber logs out. IP addresses are rare at the moment, and a dedicated IP is expensive.

        Of course "" doesn't resolve. Only "" can resolve. That's their *domain name*, as in DNS (Domain Name Services), which is how the Internet maps English names to 32-bit IP addresses. resolves just fine. It's from Wild West Domains. It's name servers are NS1.WIREDTREE.COM ad NS2.WIREDTREE.COM.

        Try using ...

        This short DNS lesson brought to you by Dave. We will now resume your regularly scheduled content.

        -- thanks,


    14. Discloseyer: (It's my word, i invented it; maybe only i know what it means - 1st Amd.)

      Quote: "133 CPM
      NETC.COM © 2014
      Station ID 4:956 Phoenix, AZ, US
      Click here for data charts
      CPM: current 133 Low 11 High 270
      Average 67, Deviation 41.1
      (CPM of Beta particles)

      Last updated: 2014-10-08 04:26:00 GMT+0000"

    15. Nick mentioned "solar steam"
      steam? AHA! 1kW/m2 isn't just a good idea; i think it's the law.

      Friends don't let friends run XP for internet any more.

      Quote: "The security firm said the attackers launched the assault from compromised WordPress sites using drive-by-download style attack tactics. Windows XP clients comprised 52 per cent of the infected systems in the cybercrime group’s botnet."

      Much like an infected pimple eventually does, it's all come to a head. (still a mass of pus, imho)
      Quote: "Windows 10's 'built-in keylogger'? Ha ha, says Microsoft – no, it just monitors your typing
      YOU said it was OK when you installed that Technical Preview"

      1. "Our customers are important to us."

    16. "It was only a minor incident."

    17. "Our best and brightest people are on the job."

    18. "Every precaution has be taken."

    19. "We were previously unaware of problems."

    20. "Nobody could have predicted such rare occurrence."


    22. Quote: "Tubes with added helical ribs increase the heat transfer coefficient in applications using a gas or fluid with low thermal conductivity. Image source:"

      Remember the "Tornado" fo' yo' ride from K-tel or whatever?

    23. Molten Salt could still hold promise, but not like 'nukers hope.
      "AREVA Solar - Molten Salt Energy Storage"

      Nuke's not anticompetative, are they?

      Quote: "In 2009, German industrial giant Siemens bought solar thermal trough firm Solel for $418 million from founder Avi Brenmiller and other investors. In 2013, Siemens closed its CSP business, the remains of the acquired Solel, a firm that had lost more than $1 billion since 2011."


      "At the end of 2013, there were more than 12,000 megawatts of photovoltaics and 918 megawatts of CSP in the U.S., according to GTM Research. The U.S. installed 410 megawatts of CSP in 2013 and 517 megawatts in Q1 2014."

      Then there's the WOW process...

      My hat is off to Mr. Bill Duff, of Houston, TX. for that.

      1. Note the wide range of processes which can benefit from the Wow Process, including solar.

    24. The latest for your list?

      Quote: "2011 power loss at Fukushima plant caused by tsunami: regulator"

    25. Quote: "LED Lighting Becomes Widespread in Japan after N-Accident"

      NoUVIR had some good info on UV & IR output of "white" LEDs.

      (Thanks to NucNews for the links.)

      1. You are welcome. I am a guest here, so here is something else that seemed apt to share. If my brightness diminishes in any way, i trust you should you correct me, btw.

        Quote: "They are so efficient that if the UK switched over to LED lighting, the nation could save 10% of its electricity bill and do without or eight new power stations, said Sir Colin Humphrey, director of research at Cambridge University."

        The inventor of the red LED would like a chat with the Nobel Committee, it would seem. :P

        Seems homes need low-voltage LED lighting power retrofitting for efficiency benefits to be properly realized. Having a power supply on every single bulb may be convenient, but isn't it a waste? How to retrofit existing, though? *(Call in Mike Holmes, of Holmes on Homes, :lol)

      2. Also, should not the inventor(s) of means to restrict UV & IR release in a so-called "white" LED be worthy of award, due to the humanitarian aspect of said work?
        Somebody call the inventor of the Green LED - i'd bet he/she/them would be seeing red too!

        [OT}Should airlines not be researching power-"sun-visors" to counter low-power laser strikes from dumbfockers on the ground? Emergency forward multi-spectral cameras to be deployed if possible during incidents involving restricted vision &/or visibility?[/OT]

      3. What if it were, that i were simply an anonymous worker at McDonalds (am no fan of fast-food, btw)?

        What would that say for Oak Ridge?

        May God have Mercy upon His Children!

    26. Try and trace this to Oak Ridge. You wont get anywhere.

      1. Don't you have something better to do with your time?


      makes the case for 'nuclear weapons' never having existed, and 'nuclear power' being a dumpload. A lot of your remarks seem to me to be shadow-boxing -- attacking your enemy without ever finding if the enemy is lying to you.

    28. To be fair, there is a small downside to solar.
      You need to clean the panels daily for maximum charge generation.

      Pretty deminimus to me, compared to "can't eat from the land, can't drink the water, prolly shouldn;t breath the air, etc.(but enough strontium around you never need sensodyne as yer teef juft wot away aneeway)".

    29. I guess i haven't seen a datasheet for panels in decades, let alone a panel.
      Looks like i'm stuck with Dr. Wattenburgs previous rantings about how you have to clean them daily, and that they only have a usable lifespan of ten years. Bear with me please, i just got over the "nukular" hype within the past four years, for some Fukuppy reason ...

      I am sorry that your mother recently passed on.
      She must have been a decent person to have had you, a man whom stands up for what is right, as a son. May she long live on as positive memories for all whom her life touched, at least.

    30. Thanks for condolences, yes she was voted by everyone who knew her as "most likely to go to heaven"

      1. Say, could you point me to a data or product sheet, providing it doesn't divulge anything that would or could harm your business.

        Datasheets were (& are) so helpful dealing with Capacitor Plague.
        Datasheets can help one fuse off the Write Enable pin on flash memory controllers.

        I remember somebody once say to me that solar panels couldn't do diddly if applied on top of a 53' semi trailer, for instance.
        I can think of some school districts in California that might argue, at least.

    31. Thank You Good INFO.... TRUTH ........ I AM FIXITSTUPID I've been running solar for nine years it works

      1. Yak the solar deniers are just amazing in the depth of their denial and vacaciousness of their "debunks"

    32. nuclear power will work because human beings are good and intelligent

      1. nuclear power fails because human beings have other traits as well.

        There is not enough margin for err in the design for human err, including ownership & regulators, etc, etc, etc.

        Counterfeit Nuclear parts, anyone?

    33. Quote: "@Stock, do you have this statement for your list of nuclear lies:

      "If EPA is increasing safe levels, it still must be safe"" - October 18, 2014 at 11:20 am"

    34. Please, show me some kind of industry info that cannot hurt your business.
      I am hoping for some kind of confirmation of a 30 year life span. Better yet, a local source of panels!!! :)
      Can i ask the audience for help, or phone a friend for a lifeline? :\

      I'd like to be a millionaire, even a thousanaire. It'd pay for a helluvalotta Fukushima/WIPP/Honeywell iron-on T-shirts and pamphlets with the bright colored reassuring words "Stay out of the rain." for starters.

      Be a pal, and tell me where to go. Err...

    35. @dud, very basic stuff here, I have done 22,000 PV panels and had 3 failures over 9 years. that aint bad.

      My go to panel is the Solarworld (in whatever the latest wattage is, now 275W)

      these are not industry secrets. PV industry does not function on 95% lies like the nuke cartel

    36. In regards to space travel beyond Sol's asteroid belt beyond Mars, and upcoming increases in Cosmic Radiation due to Solar magnetic field weakening:

      Quote: "Only nuke power can save us from radiation"
      "The only astronauts who have ever been further from Earth than this were the Apollo moon explorers of the 1960s and 70s, and they went only on brief missions, carefully timed to reduce radiation risks."

      This relates to the "time to 3 per cent Risk of Exposure Induced Death (REID)"

      This type of commentary can be expected from the pro-"nukular" staff at the Reg, in my humble opine, though. Often, such commentary from that source is just plain wrong, imho.

      Quote: "ESA demonstrates - we can do it with solar

      At the distance at which Rosetta will encounter Comet 67P / Churyumov-Gerasimenko, or at which Juno will be doing experiments involving Jupiter or ESA's Jupiter Icy Moons Explorer will work, energy from the Sun is but a small fraction of what it is on Earth.

      Still, it can be effectively utilized for power generation, the ESA declares - because even in the remote outer solar system, there's still enough sunlight to power the smart solar cells it developed for the purpose:

      "The solar cells in Rosetta's solar panels are based on a completely new technology, so-called Low-intensity Low Temperature Cells. Thanks to them, Rosetta is the first space mission to journey beyond the main asteroid belt relying solely on solar cells for power generation.

      "Previous deep-space missions used nuclear RTGs, radioisotope thermal generators. The new solar cells allow Rosetta to operate over 800 million kilometres from the Sun, where levels of sunlight are only 4% those on Earth. The technology will be available for future deep-space, such as ESA's upcoming Jupiter Icy Moons Explorer."" (also available from Enformable)

      "only nukular can spare us from radiation"? what bollocks.

    37. Ya check out the Making of Fuku post, troll shows up, says the last infestation was just a high school project. I logged its IP as Oak Ridge....again. What asshats these things are, LOL